Tuesday, 4 March 2008

A Repost - but one you might wish to print off...

Just had a barney in yahoochat with a few atheists who persisted in making a point that the Divinity of Christ is never mentioned in the Bible , or even implied ; and that it wasn't until the time that Christianity became the Roman state religion in the early 4th century that Jesus was ever considered as God.

I get increasingly fed up with this - you don't have to believe in either the events or teachings within the Bible ; but why do non-believers have to demean and spout mendacities about what's within it ?

So for those who have been in the same position and had to counter the lies ; here's some evidence....


I. Old and New Testament Parallels of God the Father and God the Son

Exodus 3:14 - God says "I AM who I AM" - John 8:58 - Jesus says "Before Abraham was, I AM" in reference to Himself.

Deut. 4:2; 12:32 - the Lord God commands that we not add or take away from His word - Rev. 22:18-19 - Jesus so commands us not to add or take away from His word.

Deut. 32:39; 1 Sam. 2:6 - the Lord kills and makes alive again and raises up - John 5:21 - the Son raises and gives life.

Deut. 32:39 - neither is there any that can deliver out of God's hand - John 10:28 - nor shall any pluck out of Jesus' hand.

Deut. 32:43 - rejoice, ye heavens, with Him, and let all the angels of God worship Him - Heb. 1:6 - the "Him" is Jesus the Son.

2 Sam. 22:3 - God is the horn of salvation - Luke 1:68-69 - Jesus is the horn of salvation.

Psalm 19:7 - the law of the Lord is perfect - Gal. 6:2 - fulfill the law of Christ.

Psalm 24:10 - the Lord is the King of glory - 1 Cor. 2:8 - Jesus is the Lord of glory.

Psalm 45:7 - Therefore God, your God, has anointed you. God calls someone else God. This someone else is His eternally begotten Son - Heb. 1:9 - Therefore God, your God, has anointed you. cf. Heb. 1:8, 10.

Psalm 62:12 - the Lord God renders to each according to his work - Matt. 16:27; Rev. 22:12 - Jesus so renders to each according to his work.

Psalm 71:5 - the Lord God is our hope - 1 Tim. 1:1 - the Lord Jesus Christ who is our hope.

Psalm 89:27 – I will make him the first-born, the highest (“elyon” which refers to God) of the kings of the earth - John 18:36-27 – Jesus is this first-born king.

Psalm 97:9 - the Lord God is above all - John 3:31 - Jesus is above all.

Psalms 110:1 - the Lord (Yahweh) said to my Lord - Jesus = Yhwh - Acts 2:34-36 - God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ.

Psalm 148:1-2 - the angels worship the Lord God - Heb. 1:6 - the angels worship Jesus. Only God is worshiped.

Prov. 3:12 - who the Lord loves He corrects - Rev. 3:19 - who Jesus loves He corrects.

Isaiah 7:14 - a virgin will bear a Son named Emmanuel which means "God is with us" - Matt. 1:23 - this Son is Jesus Christ, God in the flesh.

Isaiah 9:6 - the child to be born shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 25:8 - God swallows up death in victory - 2 Tim. 1:10 - Jesus abolishes death and brings life and immortality.

Isaiah 40:8 - the Word of God shall stand forever - Matt. 24:35 - the Words of Jesus shall not pass away.

Isaiah 42:8 - God gives His glory to no other - John 17:5; Heb. 1:3 - yet Jesus has the same glory as the Father.

Isaiah 43:14 - the Lord God is redeemer - Titus 2:14 - Jesus is the redeemer.

Isaiah 44:6 - the Lord God is the first and the last - Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13 - Jesus is the first and the last.

Isaiah 45:19 - I, the Lord God, did not speak in secret - John 18:20 - Jesus said "I have said nothing secretly."

Isaiah 45:23 - to God, every knee shall bow and every tongue swear. Phil. 2:10-11 - at Jesus' name every knee should bow and tongue confess.

Isaiah 48:17 - God is the Holy One - Acts 3:14 - Jesus is the Holy One.

Isaiah 60:19 - God is everlasting light - Revelation 21:23 - Jesus the Lamb is eternal light.

Jer. 17:10 - the Lord searches the hearts and repays us according to our deeds - Rev. 2:23 - Jesus searches the hearts and repays us according to our deeds.

Ezek. 1:26-28; Daniel 7:9 - God's glorious appearance - Rev. 1:13-16 - Jesus' glorious appearance.

Ezek. 34:11-31 - God the Father is the shepherd of the flock - John 10:7-29 - Jesus is the shepherd of the flock.

Ezek. 34:16 - God seeks to save that which was lost - Luke 19:10 - Jesus seeks to save that which was lost.

Ezek. 34:17 - God judges between cattle, rams and goats - Matt. 25:32 - Jesus judges and separates the goats from the sheep.

Ezek. 43:2 - God's voice was like a noise of many waters - Rev. 1:15 - Jesus' voice was like the sound of many waters.

Dan. 2:47 - the Lord is the God of gods and the Lord of Lords - Rev. 17:14 - Jesus the Lamb is the Lord of Lords.

II. Jesus Christ's Witnesses Claim that Jesus is God

John 1:1 - John writes, "the Word was God." This is clear evidence of Jesus Christ's divinity. (Note: in the Jehovah's witness bible, the passage was changed to "Word was a god." This is not only an embarrassing attempt to deny the obvious divinity of Christ, but it also violates the first commandment and Isaiah 43:10 because it acknowledges that there is more than one God).

John 1:2-3 - He (the Word) was in the beginning with God and all things were made through Him (the Word who was God).

John 1:14 - the Word (who is God) became flesh (Jesus) and dwelled among us, full of grace and truth.

John 1:18 - the Greek word for "only-begotten" is "monogenes" which means unique, only member of a kind. It does not mean created.

John 1:51 - the angels of God - Matt. 13:41 - Son of Man's angels; 2 Thess. 1:7 - Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His angels.

John 3:5 - Jesus says without baptism one cannot enter into the Kingdom of God - Col. 1:13 - Paul says this is Jesus' Kingdom.

John 6:68-69 - Peter confesses that Jesus is the Son of God who has the words of eternal life.

Acts 2:36 - God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ - Acts 4:24 - Sovereign Lord who made heaven and earth. This means Jesus is God.

Acts 3:15 - Peter said the men of Israel "killed the Author of Life." This can only be God - Acts 14:15 - who made all things.

Acts 20:28 - to care for the Church of God which He obtained with His own blood. This means God shed His blood. When? When He died on the cross. This means Jesus is God.

Rom. 1:1 - Paul is an apostle of the Gospel of God - Rom. 15:19 - Paul preached the Gospel of Christ. Rom. 7:22 - Paul says he delights in the law of God - Gal. 6:2 - Paul says fulfill the law of Christ. Rom. 8:9 - Paul refers to both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.

Rom. 9:5 - Jesus Christ is God over all, blessed forever.

Rom. 11:36 - God for from Him through Him and to Him are all things - Heb. 2:10 - Jesus for whom and by whom are all things.

1 Cor. 15:9 - Paul says he persecuted the Church of God - Matt. 16:18; Rom. 16:16 - it is the Church of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor. 15:28 - God may be all in all - Colossians 3:11 - Christ is all and in all.

Gal. 1:5 - God the Father to whom be the glory forever - 2 Peter 3:18 - to Jesus Christ be the glory both now and forever.

Phil. 2:6-7 - Jesus was in the form of God, but instead of asserting His equality with God, emptied Himself for us.

Col. 1:15 - Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the "firstborn" of all creation. The Greek word for "first-born" is "prototokos" which means eternal preexistence (it never means created). Col. 1:26 - God's saints - 1 Thess. 3:13 - at the coming of Jesus Christ with all His saints.

Col. 2:9 - in Jesus Christ the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. He is the whole and entire fullness of the indivisible God in the flesh.

Titus 1:1 - Paul says he is a servant of God - Rom. 1:1 - Paul says he is a servant of Jesus Christ.

Titus 1:3-4 - God our Savior = Christ our Savior = Jesus Christ is God.

Titus 2:11 - the grace of God that has appeared to save all men - Acts 15:11 - through the grace of Jesus we have salvation.

Titus 2:13 - we await our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Titus 3:4 - 3:6 - great God and Savior Jesus Christ = God our Savior = Jesus Christ our Savior = Jesus is God.

Heb. 1:6 - when God brings His first-born into the world, let all the angels of God worship Him. Only God is worshipped.

Heb. 1:8 - God calls the Son "God." But of the Son He says, "Thy Throne Oh God is forever and ever."

Heb. 1:9 - God calls the Son "God." "Therefore, God, Thy God has anointed Thee."

Heb. 1:10 - God calls the Son "Lord." "And thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning and the heavens are your work."

Heb. 13:12 - Paul says Jesus sanctifies the people with His blood - 1 Thess. 5:23 - the God of peace sanctifies the people.

2 Peter 1:1 - to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:20 - "that we may know Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life."

Jude 4 - Jude calls Jesus Christ our only Master and Lord. Our only Master and Lord is God Himself.

Rev. 2:8 - the angel of the church in Smyrna wrote, "The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life." See Isa. 44:6.

Rev. 22:6 - the Lord God sends angels - Rev. 22:16 - Jesus sends angels.

[to be continued]


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Adam Pastor said...

Greetings Paul

I could go thru each point in your blog; however, firstly, I suggest you take a couple of hours to watch this video at

The Human Jesus

so that you can see the basis of where I am coming from.

Concerning your blog ... in a nutshell,
a) The Jews call it, the law of agency
They have a maxim for it ...
"A person's agent is regarded as the person himself." (Ned. 72B; Kidd, 41b)

Jesus the Messiah is GOD's ultimate agent, His plenipotentiary, His shaliach.

Using the principle of agency (a principle that is reflected throughout the scriptures, especially in regards to angels);
Jesus the agent of GOD thus totally represents Almighty GOD.
And especially now he has been glorified, and made both Lord & Christ, by GOD Almighty
[Acts 2.36, 10.36]; and is even set at GOD's right hand;
he can now function for GOD as His ultimate agent.
So much so, that things prophesied to be done by Almighty GOD in the OT, will in actuality be fulfilled by Jesus the Messiah, GOD's agent in the NT, without contradiction.
Because A person's agent is regarded as the person himself.

The 'person' in this case is GOD Almighty.
His agent is Jesus the Messiah.

Hence, the Old and New Testament Parallels.

Thus GOD Almighty will indeed fulfil all remaining prophecies through Jesus Christ, His human agent & representative.
As His agent, Jesus speaks for GOD and acts for GOD.
However, he himself is NOT GOD! He is GOD's human, now glorified, Son

(1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

b) There is no connection between Exo 3.14 & John 8.58 whatsoever.
Check the LXX. You will then see that John 8.58 is not a quote of Exo 3.14 at all.
Jesus did not say
"Before Abraham was, ego eimi ho on"

c) Psalm 45:7 - Therefore God, your God, has anointed you. God calls someone else God.

Yep. That was a human king that was called 'God' by Almighty GOD.
The same goes for
Exo 4.16, 7.1 (Moses);
21.6, 22.8-9, 28; (the judges);
Psa 82.6 (the judges).

Jesus even used Psa. 82 in John 10.34ff to show in what sense he can indeed Messianicly and judicially be called "God";
thus John 20.28.
Men therefore are indeed called "God" by Almighty GOD in Scripture. Why? Because they were meant, especially as judges & kings, to represent Him!
Jesus the Messiah is GOD's ultimate representative; and in that sense he can indeed be called "God",
hence John 20.28, Heb 1.8.

d) Psalms 110:1 - the Lord (Yahweh) said to my Lord - Jesus = Yhwh - Acts 2:34-36 - God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ.

Incidentally, Psalms 110.1 is the most quoted OT verse in the NT.
Because it is used by both Jesus and his disciples to define his Lordship!

The Hebrew word for the 2nd word 'Lord' in this verse, is the Hebrew word adoni
Verify this with anyone well acquainted with the Hebrew language.

adoni is solely used to denote a lord who is NOT Almighty GOD i.e. it is never used in ref. to Almighty GOD.
It is solely used to denote human and occasionally, angelic lords.
This is consistent with all the 195 occurrences of adoni in the OT.

Jesus is not an angelic being.
He is a human being.
Being called adoni in Scripture means he is a human lord and not GOD!
Therefore, he is the Lord Messiah [Luke 2.11, Col 3.24], not the LORD GOD!
See again how Peter speaks in Acts 2.32-36; how he uses Psalm 110.1 to proclaim that Jesus is that 'lord' ordained & decreed by YAHWEH THE ONE GOD to sit at His right hand.

e) Only God is worshiped.

Actually not so!
This is a translation issue.

The words translated "worship" in our Bibles, Hebrew shachah and Greek proskuneo can indeed be used in ref. to human beings.
Generally translated,
"bow down, make reverence to, do reverence to, make obeisance to"; especially in regards to kings & dignitaries.
See for example how the Hebrew word is used in regards to Saul, David and Solomon.
The Worship of Christ

Sadly, the translators weren't consistent when translating the greek word in regards to the ultimate human king, the King Messiah Jesus, the promised King of the Jews, the destined Prophet of Deut. 18!
(Thus translating it as worship giving us English readers the impression that, therefore, Jesus must be GOD!)

His disciples and people in general did indeed make reverence/obesiance to Jesus of Nazareth; because he is "That Prophet" ...
he is the Messiah, the Son of GOD,
the King of Israel.

[John 1.49]
And one day ...
(Phil 2:10-11) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Therefore, Jesus was and is worshiped AS the Messiah, the Son of GOD NOT AS Almighty GOD

That's enough to begin with.
Please watch the video & we can take it from there.

Yours In Messiah
Adam Pastor
The Human Jesus