Close beside me I saw another of the Bright People in conversation with a ghost.
It was that fat ghost with the cultured voice who had addressed me in the bus, and it seemed to be wearing gaiters.
"My dear boy, I'm delighted to see you,"
it was saying to the Spirit, who was naked and almost blindingly white.
"I was talking to your poor father the other day and wondering where you were."
"You didn't bring him?" said the other.
"Well, no. He lives a long way from the bus, and, to be quite frank, he's been getting a little
eccentric lately. A little difficult. Losing his grip. He never was prepared to make any great efforts,
you know. If you remember, he used to go to sleep when you and I got talking seriously! Ah, Dick,
I shall never forget some of our talks. I expect you've changed your views a bit since then. You
became rather narrow-minded towards the end of your life: but no doubt you've broadened out
"How do you mean?"
"Well, it's obvious by now, isn't it, that you weren't quite right. Why, my dear boy, you were
coming to believe in a literal Heaven and Hell!"
"But wasn't I right?"
"Oh, in a spiritual sense, to be sure. I still believe in them in that way. I am still, my dear boy,
looking for the Kingdom. But nothing superstitious or mythological. . . ."
"Excuse me. Where do you imagine you've been?"
"Ah, I see. You mean that the grey town with its continual hope of morning (we must all live by
hope, must we not?), with its field for indefinite progress, is, in a sense, Heaven, if only we have
eyes to see it? That is a beautiful idea."
"I didn't mean that at all. Is it possible you don't know where you've been?"
"Now that you mention it, I don't think we ever do give it a name. What do you call it?"
"We call it Hell."
"There is no need to be profane, my dear boy. I may not be very orthodox, in your sense of that
word, but I do feel that these matters ought to be discussed simply, and seriously, and reverently."
"Discuss Hell reverently? I meant what I said. You have been in Hell: though if you don't go back
you may call it Purgatory."
"Go on, my dear boy, go on. That is so like you. No doubt you'll tell me why, on your view, I was
sent there. I'm not angry."
"But don't you know? You went there because you are an apostate."
"Are you serious, Dick?"
"This is worse than I expected. Do you really think people are penalised for their honest opinions?
Even assuming, for the sake of argument, that those opinions were mistaken."
"Do you really think there are no sins of intellect?"
"There are indeed, Dick. There is hidebound prejudice, and intellectual dishonesty, and timidity,
and stagnation. But honest opinions fearlessly followed-they are not sins."
"I know we used to talk that way. I did it too until the end of my life when I became what you call
narrow. It all turns on what are honest opinions."
"Mine certainly were. They were not only honest but heroic. I asserted them fearlessly. When the
doctrine of the Resurrection ceased to commend itself to the critical faculties which God had given
me, I openly rejected it. I preached my famous sermon. I defied the whole chapter. I took every
"What risk? What was at all likely to come of it except what actually came-popularity, sales for
your books, invitations, and finally a bishopric?"
"Dick, this is unworthy of you. What are you suggesting?"
"Friend, I am not suggesting at all. You see, I know now. Let us be frank. Our opinions were not
honestly come by. We simply found ourselves in contact with a certain current of ideas and
plunged into it because it seemed modern and successful. At College, you know, we just started
automatically writing the kind of essays that got good marks and saying the kind of things that won
applause. When, in our whole lives, did we honestly face, in solitude, the one question on which all
turned: whether after all the Supernatural might not in fact occur? When did we put up one
moment's real resistance to the loss of our faith?"
"If this is meant to be a sketch of the genesis of liberal theology in general, I reply that it is a mere
libel. Do you suggest that men like ..."
"I have nothing to do with any generality. Nor with any man but me and you. Oh, as you love your
own soul, remember. You know that you and I were playing with loaded dice. We didn't want the
other to be true. We were afraid of crude salvationism, afraid of a breach with the spirit of the age,
afraid of ridicule, afraid (above all) of real spiritual fears and hopes."
"I'm far from denying that young men may make mistakes. They may well be influenced by current
fashions of thought. But it's not a question of how the opinions are formed. The point is that they
were my honest opinions, sincerely expressed."
"Of course. Having allowed oneself to drift, unresisting, unpraying, accepting every half-conscious
solicitation from our desires, we reached a point where we no longer believed the Faith. Just in the
same way, a jealous man, drifting and unresisting, reaches a point at which he believes lies about
his best friend: a drunkard reaches a point at which (for the moment) he actually believes that
another glass will do him no harm. The beliefs are sincere in the sense that they do occur as
psychological events in the man's mind. If that's what you mean by sincerity they are sincere, and
so were ours. But errors which are sincere in that sense are not innocent."
"You'll be justifying the Inquisition in a moment!"
"Why? Because the Middle Ages erred in one direction, does it follow that there is no error in the
"Well, this is extremely interesting," said the Episcopal Ghost. "It's a point of view. Certainly, it's a
point of view. In the meantime . . ."
"There is no meantime," replied the other.
"AH that is over. We are not playing now. I have been
talking of the past (your past and mine) only in order that you may turn from it forever. One wrench
and the tooth will be out. You can begin as if nothing had ever gone wrong. White as snow. It's all
true, you know. He is in me, for you, with that power. And- I have come a long journey to meet
you. You have seen Hell: you are in sight of Heaven. Will you, even now, repent and believe?"
"I'm not sure that I've got the exact point you are trying to make," said the Ghost.
"I am not trying to make any point," said the Spirit. "I am telling you to repent and believe."
"But my dear boy, I believe already. We may not be perfectly agreed, but you have completely
misjudged me if you do not realise that my religion is a very real and a very precious thing to me."
"Very well," said the other, as if changing his plan. "Will you believe in me?"
"In what sense?"
"Will you come with me to the mountains? It will hurt at first, until your feet are hardened. Reality
is harsh to the feet of shadows. But will you come?"
"Well, that is a plan. I am perfectly ready to consider it. Of course I should require some assurances
... I should want a guarantee that you are taking me to a place where I shall find a wider sphere of
usefulness-and scope for the talents that God has given me-and an atmosphere of free inquiry-in
short, all that one means by civilisation and-er-the spiritual life."
"No," said the other. "I can promise you none of these things. No sphere of usefulness: you are not
needed there at all. No scope for your talents: only forgiveness for having perverted them. No
atmosphere of inquiry, for I will bring you to the land not of questions but of answers, and you
shall see the face of God."
"Ah, but we must all interpret those beautiful words in our own way! For me there is no such thing
as a final answer. The free wind of inquiry must always continue to blow through the mind, must it
not? Trove all things' . . . to travel hopefully is better than to arrive."
"If that were true, and known to be true, how could anyone travel hopefully? There would be
nothing to hope for."
"But you must feel yourself that there is something stifling about the idea of finality? Stagnation,
my dear boy, what is more soul-destroying than stagnation?"
"You think that, because hitherto you have experienced truth only with the abstract intellect. I will
bring you where you can taste it like honey and be embraced by it as by a bridegroom. Your thirst
shall be quenched."
"Well, really, you know, I am not aware of a thirst for some ready-made truth which puts an end to
intellectual activity in the way you seem to be describing. Will it leave me the free play of Mind,
Dick? I must insist on that, you know."
"Free, as a man is free to drink while he is drinking. He is not free still to be dry." The Ghost
seemed to think for a moment. "I can make nothing of that idea," it said.
"Listen!" said the White Spirit. "Once you were a child. Once you knew what inquiry was for.
There was a time when you asked questions because you wanted answers, and were glad when you
had found them. Become that child again: even now."
"Ah, but when I became a man I put away childish things."
"You have gone far wrong. Thirst was made for water; inquiry for truth. What you now call the free
play of inquiry has neither more nor less to do with the ends for which intelligence was given you
than masturbation has to do with marriage."
"If we cannot be reverent, there is at least no need to be obscene. The suggestion that I should
return at my age to the mere factual in-quisitiveness of boyhood strikes me as preposterous. In any
case, that question-and-answer conception of thought only applies to matters of fact. Religious and
speculative questions are surely on a different level."
"We know nothing of religion here: we think only of Christ. We know nothing of speculation.
Come and see. I will bring you to Eternal Fact, the Father of all other facthood."
"I should object very strongly to describing God as a 'fact.' The Supreme Value would surely be a
less inadequate description. It is hardly . . ."
"Do you not even believe that He exists?"
"Exists? What does Existence mean? You will keep on implying some sort of static, ready-made
reality which is, so to speak, 'there,' and to which our minds have simply to conform. These great
mysteries cannot be approached in that way. If there were such a thing (there is no need to
interrupt, my dear boy) quite frankly, I should not be interested in it. It would be of no religions
significance. God, for me, is something purely spiritual. The spirit of sweetness and light and
tolerance-and, er, service, Dick, service. We mustn't forget that, you know."
"If the thirst of the Reason is really dead . . . ," said the Spirit,
and then stopped as though pondering.
Then suddenly he said, "Can you, at least, still desire happiness?"
"Happiness, my dear Dick," said the Ghost placidly,
"happiness, as you will come to see when youare older, lies in the path of duty. Which reminds me. . . . Bless my soul, I'd nearly forgotten. Of course I can't come with you. I have to be back next Friday to read a paper. We have a little Theological Society down there. Oh yes! there is plenty of intellectual life. Not of a very high quality, perhaps. One notices a certain lack of grip-a certain confusion of mind. That is where I can
be of some use to them. There are even regrettable jealousies.
I don't know why, but tempers seem less controlled than they used to be. Still, one mustn't expect too much of human nature. I feel I can do a great work among them. But you've never asked me what my paper is about! I'm taking the text about growing up to the measure of the stature of Christ and working out an idea which I feel sure you'll be interested in. I'm going to point out how people always forget that Jesus (here the
Ghost bowed) was a comparatively young man when he died. He would have outgrown some of his
earlier views, you know, if he'd lived. As he might have done, with a little more tact and patience. I
am going to ask my audience to consider what his mature views would have been. A profoundly
interesting question. What a different Christianity we might have had if only the Founder had
reached his full stature! I shall end up by pointing out how this deepens the significance of the
Crucifixion. One feels for the first time what a disaster it was: what a tragic waste ... so much
promise cut short. Oh, must you be going? Well, so must I. Goodbye, my dear boy. It has been a
great pleasure. Most stimulating and provocative. Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye."
The Ghost nodded its head and beamed on the Spirit with a bright clerical smile-or with the best
approach to it which such unsubstantial lips could manage-and then turned away hummin? softly to
itself "City of God, how broad and far."